
One of the pleasures of blogging is discovering new-to-me books and authors and today I’m delighted to discover another – Margot Shepherd, who has kindly agreed to stay in with me to chat about her debut novel.
Let’s find out more:
Staying in with Margot Shepherd
Welcome to Linda’s Book Bag Margot and thank you for staying in with me.
I’m delighted to be here. Thank you for inviting me.
Tell me, which of your books have you brought along to share this evening and why have you chosen it?

I’ve brought Never Closer because it’s my debut novel.
Congratulations on your debut! What can we expect from an evening in with Never Closer?
Two stories that are woven together. A story set in the 1940s about Alice who works on the development of penicillin and a story set in the present day about Jo whose daughter, Jessie, is hospitalised with bacterial meningitis. The two stories are linked by Alice’s diary which Jo finds in a vintage handbag in her friend’s vintage shop.
That sounds such an interesting premise.
It’s a book about families, love, grief and above all resilience. It is also about two women striving to be who they want to be.
It was Editors’ choice in the May quarterly magazine of the Historical Novel Society where it was described as ‘a novel for our times.’
It certainly sounds as if it might well be Margot. Tell me more about Jo and Alice.
Jo is a mother of two daughters, both studying for degrees. She is married to an unreliable, insensitive and at times domineering husband. She became pregnant with Kate in her final year at university and abandoned training for her dream career, as a clinical biochemist, to be a full-time mother. Two years after Kate arrived, Jessie was born. Now her children have left home Jo desperately wants to do more with her life but is hindered by an unsupportive husband and a feeling that she has lost her way. The novel begins when Jo receives a phone call from the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford. Jessie, a student at Oxford University, is in a coma.
Alice is seventeen years old and working at the Dunn School of Pathology for Professor Howard Florey in Oxford. She was made to leave school at sixteen by her mother to contribute to the family income. Her ambition had been to be a teacher and she is angry that she has been thwarted in this goal. She is very intelligent and determined to learn as much as she can from her job so is forever asking questions. She often has to take penicillin to the hospital, an environment she has never encountered before. When she realises that nursing sisters have important and respected roles, she is determined to use the knowledge she has gained in the laboratory to pursue nursing as a career.
Both Jo and Alice sound hugely relatable.
How did you come to write Never Closer?
I read an article in a newspaper about the work of The Penicillin Girls in the 1940s and immediately thought how interesting to tell the story of penicillin from the point of view of one of those girls. Alice is fictional but all the other characters in the Oxford laboratory are based on real people. I did a lot of research about how penicillin was developed and the more I read the more I realised how important this story was. I thought it would be interesting to contrast the 1940’s story with the treatment of bacterial infections in the present day when antibacterial resistance is a growing problem and we are in danger of squandering the gift that the Oxford scientists gave the world.
I think Never Closer sounds fascinating. So, what have you brought along and why have you brought it?
It is a 1940s dress similar to the one that Alice makes in the novel. Alice is a very good dressmaker, something she learned from her mum. Because she plans to go to a dance with her friend, she wants to have a pretty dress to wear. In the novel we see Alice visit the drapers and choose the material and the pattern and then make it when she has the house to herself. It was just before clothes rationing (which included fabric) came in. Alice writes in her diary-
‘Mrs Foster said she had some new fabric just come in that she hadn’t unwrapped yet. She disappeared into the back room and I heard a rustling of paper. She reappeared with a bolt of rayon crêpe with a pattern of a scarlet rose, and grey hatching on a white background. It was beautiful and I knew at once that it was exactly right. I felt so lucky. Who knows when I’ll be able to buy such lovely material again. Mrs Foster measured out the yardage specified in the pattern then cut with her large scissors; the kerch-kerch sound of the scissors made me want to rush home and start making it.’
The dress is an important link between the two stories. It finds its way to the vintage shop owned by Jo’s friend. Jo loves 1940s clothes and is overjoyed when her friend gifts her the dress. At the time Jo doesn’t know the dress was made by Alice. She doesn’t find out until she reads Alice’s diary. The dress becomes very special to Jo. ‘It is as if the past is seeping into the present.’ It reminds her how she used to make clothes herself when she was a teenager. Like Alice she comes from a working-class family where there wasn’t a lot of money. Jo becomes totally absorbed in Alice’s diary and it inspires her to make some big changes in her life.
Did you bring anything else?

Some 1940s dance music, Joe Loss and his band playing ‘Oh Johnny’. This music features in both stories. Alice goes to a dance where this is played, and it is where she meets Frank, a young soldier who is about to be sent abroad. Alice knows all the dance steps as she has been taught by her father. Frank is also a good dancer as he was taught by his mother. There is an immediate connection between Alice and Frank. Their relationship develops via letters they send to each other.
In the present-day story Jo reads the diary to Jessie when she is convalescing. Jessie becomes fascinated by Alice. When Jo reads about the dance, she plays this music to Jessie on an old shellac record and record player. These had belonged to Jo’s grandmother who had been a clippie during the war in Barnsley where Jo comes from.
‘Jo pulls out a record in a brown paper sleeve. The red centre label reads His Master’s Voice: Joe Loss and his band playing ‘Oh Johnny’.
After slotting the centre hole over the prong in the middle of the turntable she releases a switch and the record starts turning. Carefully she lowers the stylus onto the edge of the record. Within seconds the tinny noise of a big band fills the room.’
Jo shows Jessie how to dance the foxtrot and it reminds her of how much she used to love dancing. Despite her unhappy marriage Jo has always thought she couldn’t cope without Rob, her husband. We see Jo become gradually stronger as the novel progresses until she decides to pursue a career she wants and to take up dancing again.
I think Never Closer sounds really immersive Margot. Thank you so much for staying in to tell me all about it. I think we’d better play some Joe Loss whilst I give readers a few more details about it.
Never Closer

On an ordinary day in 2017 Jo is devastated by news that every mother dreads.
In 1940, Alice enters a laboratory to harvest a new drug, called penicillin. Made to leave school at sixteen and abandon her aspiration to be a teacher, she learns instead about microbes and miracles and how curing people may be her destiny.
The lives of the two women become entwined when Jo finds Alice’s diary in a vintage handbag. Past and present overlap and merge as life-changing events resonate across the gulf of time.
This is a story about a diary opening a door on the past, chronicling Alice’s fierce determination to succeed against all odds. It’s a story about how Jo emerges from darkness into light and discovers a strength she never knew she had.
Can Alice’s diary inspire her to step into a better life?
Never closer is available for purchase on Amazon, Kobo, Apple and Blackwells.
About Margot Shepherd

Margot Shepherd was born and spent her childhood in Yorkshire, in the north of England. She now lives in the south of England but still feels her roots are in the north. Margot is a scientist so when she started thinking about her first novel, she knew she wanted it to include some science and as a woman she wanted it told from a female point of view. There are so few books which do this.
Margot works part-time in medical research but is tapering this off as she wants more time to write. She is addicted to reading and always knew she wanted to write a novel when she had the time. Six years ago, Margot semi-retired, studied for an MA in Creative Writing and then started writing her novel. Her leisure time is spent gardening, walking in the countryside where she lives, accompanied by her Springer Spaniel, Genni, and of course reading! Margot also loves travelling to new places mainly in other European countries.
For further information visit Margot’s website, follow her on Twitter/X @MargotShepherdW and find Margot on Instagram.